Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 20

Thread: HCM200d and HR80UK TRV heads

  1. #1
    Automated Home Jr Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    13

    Default HCM200d and HR80UK TRV heads

    A simple question that I hope someone has already done. Is the Honeywell HCM200D compatible with HR80UK TRV heads (Radiator controllers as they call them). The manual only mentioned HR50s. I am pretty sure that it is but it would be good to know from someone who has done this please.

    I would also be interested to know of a source for the HCM200D (and associated boiler control, underfloor heating controls etc) for self-installation. There is an Austrian shop at http://shop.smuk.at for 399Euro (under £300) but this is the T model: is it the same? (I notice that they say they speak English which might be handy!)

    (I notice that someone else has asked a similar question recently and apologise for re-asking, but I didn't want to divert answers to their post with my question)

    Other places I have found with information:
    http://www.hometronic.dk/SEEEMS/538.asp (has a Danish price list).

  2. #2
    Automated Home Lurker
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    5

    Default

    Hi

    Both these links:

    http://www.honeywell.hu/ecc/szabalyz...200d-um-en.pdf

    http://www.honeywell.hu/ecc/szabalyz...200d-pd-en.pdf

    do mention the HR80 (but not specifically the HR80UK).

    I suspect that, as the HCM200 is dual frequency and supports a wide range of devices (more than the CM67 and family), the likelyhood is good.

    Cheers

    Tim

  3. #3
    Automated Home Lurker
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    5

    Default

    BTW, there was a press release from Honeywell that there is a new
    HC200d-UK controller with some enhancements, but I haven't seen it on sale anywhere.

  4. #4
    Automated Home Jr Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    13

    Default

    Thank you, that is really useful. I probably won't buy the controller for a bit yet, but knowing that will help. An email to Austria is on its way shortly.

  5. #5
    Automated Home Lurker
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    5

    Default

    Please let us know how they (Smuk) are.

    I did notice that of the two ways to pay, cash in advance and paypal,
    that using paypal causes them to hammer you with a not insubstantial extra charge.

    Cash in advance is no extra charge.

    I did also notice that their P&P is a bit excessive (100+ quid for one HCM200t, 9 HR80s and one boiler relay).

    OTOH, they are cheaper on parts than many UK suppliers, even if they would deal with end-users, so probably not bad overall.

    Cheers

    Tim

  6. #6
    Automated Home Jr Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Es***
    Posts
    21

    Default

    Look here

    http://www.heizungsprofi24.de/hauste...entra/hcm200d/

    I have HCM200d and HR80UK and they work OK

    Slavo

  7. #7
    Automated Home Jr Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    13

    Default Final (almost) configuration setup

    Here are the details of my (almost) final system in case it is of interest to others considering something similar:

    I got the HCM200 from

    http://www.heizungsprofi24.de

    as it is not available except through installers in this country. They were very helpful even though i have no German and they had limited (but sufficient) English. The unit delivered was in English but the manuals were in German. However, they emailed me the English Manuals as PDFs.

    I didn't get a power supply from them as the plug would not have been correct and Honeywell charge a lot for a 300mA 12V (ac or dc) supply. Got one round the corner instead.

    The radiator valve heads are all HR80UK (10 off) which I got from UK Plumbing. Configuring these to work with the HCM200 is straightforward. I did have to replace all of my radiator valves though as they were Drayton TRV3s (or earlier) and they were not compatible with the HR80UK heads.

    (By the way, UK Plumbing have been very helpful although delivery was slow because of parts coming from Europe. This included an unsolicited extra discount (or part refund) when the number of units ordered got reversed in the delivery to them by Honeywell.)

    The boiler is controlled by a HC60NG (also from UK Plumbing) so that it only operates when one of the radiator controllers demands it. This means that the circulation pump is also only operational at that time (allowing for the necessary overrun controlled by the boiler). This has completely removed the short cycling that used to happen when I had manual thermostatic valves as the boiler was then working to maintain the water temperature even if all rooms were up to temperature.

    I have left the hot water control on the old time switch because a) I didn't have the necessary components to connect it up to the HCM200 but more significantly because I couldn't see any reason to change it over not least as you can only run one manual "Lifestyle" program on the HCM200 at a time.

    The only part of the house I have not yet sorted is one room with underfloor heating (hot water, not electric). I bought a wireless room thermostat (HCW80) which comes with its own HC60NG, but it didn't seem possible to make this work with the on-demand system for the boiler (the room is not often heated either). I don't think that the temperature sensor HCF22 (I think) is available in this country, so it may mean another order to Germany to sort that one out (plus a HC60NG to control the pump and zone valve for that room).

    Finally a quick word about the programs that I have set up on the HCM200, as this is where it comes in to its own. The main program that runs automatically is a time program where you set, for each room, or zone, the switching times and temperatures that you require. You can then override these either by manually setting a new temperature for a room centrally (very quick and easy to do; it will run until the next switching time for that room) or using a lifestyle. You can run one of these at a time; six are quickly accessible using buttons on the unit, and a further 10 from menus. These just change temperatures for the zones that you have set and can be configured to run immediately, or in the future (with a defined finish time too). I don't know if you can queue them up.

    So, my automatic program is something like the following:

    (Everything is set to be at a standby temperature 14 degrees or so when not heated):

    Weekdays:
    Bathrooms on whenever anything else is on (not zoned at all).
    Kitchen is the only other zone heated in the morning (pointless heating the bedrooms as it either wakes us up or is on too late to bring any benefit before we leave).
    Then everything back to standby temp until mid afternoon.
    Kitchen and study on when the kids get in from school.
    Lounge added at 6pm, bedrooms a bit later.
    Weekends have their own settings for each day.

    (One advantage that I didn't consider of this zoning is that the boiler has enough capacity to heat part of the house much more quickly than when it was trying to heat the whole place in one go).

    I hope that this is useful to someone!

  8. #8
    Automated Home Guru jpdw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    168

    Default

    How much did it all cost?

    I'm soon going to zone our heating (though not the Honeywell HCM200 gear) in an effort to make it more effective (and hopefully burn less gas) so it's good to read how much quicker you find it "reacting".

  9. #9
    Automated Home Jr Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    13

    Default Cost of HCM200 System

    Let me see:

    11 off HR80UK CM Zone TRV Heads @ £66.98 from UK Plumbing (approx£750)
    1 off HCM200D @ €498 plus 20 Euro shipping from Heizungsprofi24.de (say £400 pounds)
    2 off HC60NG @ £64.20 each from UK Plumbing (£130 with shipping)
    1 off PSU from local supplier @ about £7.00

    Still need to get the temperature sensor which will cost around €100 plus shipping (about £90). Not cheap but certainly less than getting the plumbing zoned by a plumber even without the control gear.

    That gives a grand total of just under £1300. I have not included the cost of the new rad valves in that which were around £15 each (3/4" bsp versions because I have hospital-type radiators).

  10. #10
    Automated Home Guru jpdw's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Posts
    168

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidS View Post
    BTW.. Link that works:
    http://www.heizungsprofi24.de/
    (took me 15 minutes and googling to realise David was missing just a single character in the URL!)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •