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    Default New system for heating control & more (Honeywell, smartthings ?)

    I have just moved home and business. Im looking to design a good heating control arrangement with the capability to integrate a broader range of home automation.

    We have 2 boilers (both oil) and 20 rads in a bungalow. The two systems will be merged to run on one boiler and Im looking for a smart system I used the conrad system previously but have a pretty clean slate here

    Later plans are likely to include door access control, auto gates for business end, security light control, AV integration and maybe more.

    I appreciate this is a bit vague , but Im open to ideas !

    Currently Honeywell / Samsung is under investigation !

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    My advice would be to NOT try to do everything in one HA system. Evohome, for example, is great at heating but won't open your garage door. Other systems have bolt-on TRVs, but they won't provide the same degree of comfort as Evohome. So I'd suggest using best of breed for everything, and then bringing them all together into a single interface using something like Domoticz (or maybe SmartThings and Smarttiles).

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulockenden View Post
    My advice would be to NOT try to do everything in one HA system. Evohome, for example, is great at heating but won't open your garage door. Other systems have bolt-on TRVs, but they won't provide the same degree of comfort as Evohome. So I'd suggest using best of breed for everything, and then bringing them all together into a single interface using something like Domoticz (or maybe SmartThings and Smarttiles).
    I concur but am waiting for SmartThings to integrate me.

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    I was perhaps unclear. Thats the reason for smartthings ! Honeywell for heating and then go from there, using smart things like a portal ... like one ring to rule them all )apologies to JRR Tolkein!

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    Well the heating engineer is here and work has commenced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulockenden View Post
    My advice would be to NOT try to do everything in one HA system. Evohome, for example, is great at heating but won't open your garage door. Other systems have bolt-on TRVs, but they won't provide the same degree of comfort as Evohome. So I'd suggest using best of breed for everything, and then bringing them all together into a single interface using something like Domoticz (or maybe SmartThings and Smarttiles).
    I disagree. You might not think surprising considering who I am, however my comment is based on the suggested premise of throwing in the integration aspect after the hardware. My opinion and experience is that most people underestimate grossly how difficult it is to actually integrate many different functions in a comprehensively automated structure let alone the minutae of different and increasing user requirements when they begin to experience this. I can also understand fully well the other arguement about not putting all your eggs in one basket but its down to how well and how comprehensively you want your automation to work, how far you want to go. If you just want a better than thermostat heating system then I'd say go for a dedicated one like Honeywell's or others of similar ilk. Go for a fully zoned structure because that is often more important than just crudely turning heating down (or worse - off) when everyone is out of the house. Automation is more important than control because after the initial thrill most people will likely not be bothered (nor want) to be continuously on top of the controls. The more you move towards automation and larger scope of this the more you will begin to notice 'mistakes'. Heating systems are very forgiving in this respect but even the likes of Nest have had more than one publically admitted embarassment - and that's just with a single heating controller. If you try and automate lighting (and I mean automate) its a different kettle of fish and so it is for other more dynamic features. Information gathering, singular interfaces, ease of set up of hundreds of interactions and so on, it all begins to add up

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    Is there any news on this ? It still seems to be "Coming soon"

    The Evohome system is good regardless. Im pleased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smacombe View Post
    Is there any news on this ? It still seems to be "Coming soon"

    The Evohome system is good regardless. Im pleased.
    It's currently in beta testing - you may want to head over to the SmartThings Forum for further info. The integration is currently severely lacking in functionality - and pretty useless - let's home they improve it before release. Better still, If you have both systems, request to be added to the Beta.

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    Smartthings will enhance Evohome (it tells you which zones are calling for heat, for starters) and will fill some of the gaps in the current honeywell software/UI

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    Is it yet possible to link the two systems ? I dont seem to see any options, and Id like to start the way I mean to go on.

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