Latch open a 4043?

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  • StuartG
    Automated Home Jr Member
    • Mar 2015
    • 45

    Latch open a 4043?

    I had an S-plan heating system that has been upgraded to full Evohome with HR92s on every radiator. At the time we simply latched open and electrically disconnected the existing heating zone valve as the boiler is now under control of the OpenTherm bridge.

    But I vaguely recall reading somewhere recently that latching open the valve using the lever on the motor head doesn't fully open the valve, but only partially opens it to allow filling/draining of the system.

    My system has been working brilliantly, so the latching has worked, but I am now curious as to whether the valve is indeed fully open or not, and whether it would matter either way. I can see that if it was partially open then it introduces an extra pressure loss over the valve in addition to the losses over the radiators etc.

    I know that in the long run I could remove the valve completely, but means more work, so I'm quite happy with the valve in situ but open. I'm more curious about what goes on in the valve when it is latched!

    Thanks!
    Last edited by StuartG; 27 November 2016, 07:24 PM. Reason: Fix typo.
  • DBMandrake
    Automated Home Legend
    • Sep 2014
    • 2361

    #2
    Hi Stuart

    I've posted about this in several threads now but the short answer is the filling latch opens the valve about half way whereas under motor power it opens fully. So the flow resistance will be a bit higher in this half open state, but whether this causes you any noticeable issue or not will depend on your system, and whether your system already has a low or high flow resistance.

    The other thing to consider is the possibility that it might seize if left permanently in one position. This would probably take many many years though on a good valve. Personally if I was in your situation and wanted the valve disabled I wouldn't go to the bother of removing it (especially if you decide you want it again later) but just wire it to the same power as the pump, that way it will open fully whenever the pump is running but close at other times to save power but also ensure there is a little daily movement to prevent it seizing over the years.

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    • bruce_miranda
      Automated Home Legend
      • Jul 2014
      • 2307

      #3
      And the above is exactly what I did. It now serves me two purposes. Opens the CH valve whenever the pump is running, even during over run. And also in the summer will get my non TRV towel rails warmed when the HW only kicks in.

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      • StuartG
        Automated Home Jr Member
        • Mar 2015
        • 45

        #4
        I hadn't thought of that - I'm using the boiler's internal pump, but I think I saw in the installation manual that there is an output to run an external device. That said, all my radiators have thermostats on so the valve doesn't have to move. I've never disassembled one, but if I took the valve head off could you manually open the valve and leave it fully open that way. It wouldn't matter if it seized up as it is effectively redundant.

        It's somewhat academic as the system is performing beautifully in the cold weather. Boiler is modulating down, and trending is showing that the system is starting, stopping and maintaining with great control.

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        • Little Tinker
          Automated Home Jr Member
          • Nov 2016
          • 38

          #5
          I'd thought about removing the head as well. I can't see why it wouldn't work. All the springs, etc are in the head, so the stopper part should just stay where you leave it.

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          • mylesm
            Automated Home Guru
            • Nov 2015
            • 153

            #6
            As You say yourself "My system has been working brilliantly,"

            In that case I would leave it as it is

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