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  • DBMandrake
    Automated Home Legend
    • Sep 2014
    • 2361

    Has anyone worked out what criteria the warm weather saver function takes into account ? I have it enabled on 6 zones, outside temperature reported on the Evotouch is 13C, most of my zones are at zero heat demand but I have not seen the warm weather saver kick in.

    Can it run concurrently with Day Off mode ? Probably like a lot of people our system has been in day off mode for a few weeks now...

    I re-read the small and difficult to read images on the initial welcome email but it's quite vague about how warm weather saver is supposed to calculate when it should be active.

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    • bruce_miranda
      Automated Home Legend
      • Jul 2014
      • 2307

      It also depends on when the boost is applied. If it's only applied at a Setpoint change and the outside temperature at that time, then it's fairly useless.

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      • SteveP
        Automated Home Guru
        • Dec 2012
        • 190

        Originally posted by DBMandrake View Post
        Has anyone worked out what criteria the warm weather saver function takes into account ? I have it enabled on 6 zones, outside temperature reported on the Evotouch is 13C, most of my zones are at zero heat demand but I have not seen the warm weather saver kick in.

        Can it run concurrently with Day Off mode ? Probably like a lot of people our system has been in day off mode for a few weeks now...

        I re-read the small and difficult to read images on the initial welcome email but it's quite vague about how warm weather saver is supposed to calculate when it should be active.
        Contrary to my update several days ago where I saw lots of zones showing as Off which was due to the Warm Weather Saver, today I don't see any zones showing Off. I am running a "normal" schedule and many zones are over their set point, a couple are asking for heat when only a 0.5c variation from setpoint, one is optimising. So all in all working as it has always done so I am almost back to having to invoke Eco mode as the house is overly hot Evohome reported o/s temp is 16c so would expect it to have kicked in. Weird, maybe its because I have disabled cold weather boost lol

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        • bruce_miranda
          Automated Home Legend
          • Jul 2014
          • 2307

          It's now the 7th of April. So this firmware wasn't an April Fool joke, even though it was released on the 1st. So now can we please have that change log. This is getting a bit nuts now going hunting for bugs/features/changes not knowing which category things belong to when we report what we find.

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          • petep
            Automated Home Sr Member
            • Jan 2018
            • 57

            Andy,

            I think the setting of the zone setpoint to 5C when the zone gets turned off is going to confuse a lot of people.

            When you check the schedule it appears at first as if the setpoint is part of the schedule but if you try to edit it the 5C is not there.

            It needs some thing a little more explicit to tell the user what's going on.

            Obviously the app is currently behind the FW but that and presumably the website will need updating.

            Please can we have a changelist.

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            • mtmcgavock
              Automated Home Legend
              • Mar 2017
              • 507

              Originally posted by DBMandrake View Post
              Has anyone worked out what criteria the warm weather saver function takes into account ? I have it enabled on 6 zones, outside temperature reported on the Evotouch is 13C, most of my zones are at zero heat demand but I have not seen the warm weather saver kick in.

              Can it run concurrently with Day Off mode ? Probably like a lot of people our system has been in day off mode for a few weeks now...

              I re-read the small and difficult to read images on the initial welcome email but it's quite vague about how warm weather saver is supposed to calculate when it should be active.
              Mine was working with 'Day Off' mode the other day. However today it's been gloroius sunshine here and relatively warm. However WW Saver didn't seem to kick in on most zones (I've enabled it on all zones, one zone was in WW) and the boiler was still firing - even though most zones were 1/1.5oc above their set points, so in fact no need at all to fire. I have been pre occupied outside so haven't been able to study it further other than seeing the boiler firing whilst i've been in the garage and checking the app for set points/zone temps.

              It does seem to be behaving a bit oddly just over the past couple of days - although the other day it worked perfectly.

              WW Saver Description- 'Evohome looks at the outside temperature, the inside temperature, the scheduled setpoint per zone and then calculates (including the learnt adaptive Fuzzy logic) if the boiler need to be on at all.'

              However I think it all comes down to what you were saying about the outside temperature, one being incorrect, and two lagging hugely. My panel said it was 5oc outside this morning when it was actually 9 on my weather station!

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              • bruce_miranda
                Automated Home Legend
                • Jul 2014
                • 2307

                Any chance we have support for the local external temperature sensor brought back again. Or and a change log would be good too.

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                • DBMandrake
                  Automated Home Legend
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 2361

                  Originally posted by bruce_miranda View Post
                  Any chance we have support for the local external temperature sensor brought back again. Or and a change log would be good too.
                  The problem with the outdoor sensor is it was grossly over priced. When I first looked in 2015 (before I discovered it wouldn't work with the WiFi model of controller I was buying) I seem to recall it was around £130...

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                  • frankmalia
                    Automated Home Sr Member
                    • Apr 2019
                    • 63

                    Zones Boosting when Differential is less than 10'C

                    Andy

                    OK, been tracking this since early morning to late evening. Liams Room and Madisons room has been boosting when differential is less than 10'C and down to 4-5'C differential, I have not touched the rooms and has not fixed itself. Please can you have a look. The other 3 zones are behaving correctly.

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                    • Andy the Minion
                      Automated Home Sr Member
                      • Nov 2017
                      • 86

                      Originally posted by SteveP View Post
                      Contrary to my update several days ago where I saw lots of zones showing as Off which was due to the Warm Weather Saver, today I don't see any zones showing Off. I am running a "normal" schedule and many zones are over their set point, a couple are asking for heat when only a 0.5c variation from setpoint, one is optimising. So all in all working as it has always done so I am almost back to having to invoke Eco mode as the house is overly hot Evohome reported o/s temp is 16c so would expect it to have kicked in. Weird, maybe its because I have disabled cold weather boost lol
                      I will get this checked, it dosnt sound right. Can I have a MAC on PM please and we can look at the data if needed.
                      Resideo employee. Comments are personal, and likely to get a hard stare from Rameses

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                      • Andy the Minion
                        Automated Home Sr Member
                        • Nov 2017
                        • 86

                        Originally posted by DBMandrake View Post
                        The problem with the outdoor sensor is it was grossly over priced. When I first looked in 2015 (before I discovered it wouldn't work with the WiFi model of controller I was buying) I seem to recall it was around £130...
                        Yes the production cost was terrible, we literally sold a handful (we didnt make that much on it though!) and then the rf chip went end of life.
                        Resideo employee. Comments are personal, and likely to get a hard stare from Rameses

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                        • bruce_miranda
                          Automated Home Legend
                          • Jul 2014
                          • 2307

                          Any luck with getting hold of that Change Log.

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                          • Andy the Minion
                            Automated Home Sr Member
                            • Nov 2017
                            • 86

                            Originally posted by frankmalia View Post
                            Andy

                            OK, been tracking this since early morning to late evening. Liams Room and Madisons room has been boosting when differential is less than 10'C and down to 4-5'C differential, I have not touched the rooms and has not fixed itself. Please can you have a look. The other 3 zones are behaving correctly.
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                            Will do Frank, I cant find you on the diagnostoc portal at the moment I will have to go dig.
                            Resideo employee. Comments are personal, and likely to get a hard stare from Rameses

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                            • petep
                              Automated Home Sr Member
                              • Jan 2018
                              • 57

                              Originally posted by bruce_miranda View Post
                              It also depends on when the boost is applied. If it's only applied at a Setpoint change and the outside temperature at that time, then it's fairly useless.
                              I'm pretty sure it needs a setpoint change to kick in. I have a bedroom that is currently set at 15C all day over several intervals. The room temp has been constantly above this (currently 19.9) and the controller still shows this as normal schedule following. The room temp has been at least 20C for the last 24 hours.

                              Another room is set at 16C most of the day but has a short boost in the morning to 20. The boost period should be active (now 8am), the current room temp is 19.5, the controller is showing the room is off with a setpoint of 5C. I think at the setpoint change at the beginning of the boost (7am) the room temp may have been 20C. The room setpoint has been 5C since 1pm yesterday.

                              The outside temp is currently 7C.
                              Beta installed late morning day before yesterday.
                              I currently have other zones in CW boost.
                              All zones configured for WW.
                              Neither room described has CW configured.
                              Both HR92 for temp sensor.

                              Two questions?
                              1. Why didn't WW kick in for the first room?
                              2. What would have happened if the temperature in the second room had fallen more quickly after 7am? I suspect nothing is going to happen.

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                              • SteveP
                                Automated Home Guru
                                • Dec 2012
                                • 190

                                Originally posted by Andy the Minion View Post
                                I will get this checked, it dosnt sound right. Can I have a MAC on PM please and we can look at the data if needed.
                                Hi Andy, have sent you a PM Many thanks, Steve

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