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  • DJBenson
    Automated Home Jr Member
    • Feb 2016
    • 24

    Hi

    Stealing a bit of time whilst tea is cooking and the kids are occupied...

    Have you installed the 'pyloopenergy' library?

    If you open the python interpreter from the command line (just type "python" at a bash prompt) and then;

    import pyloopenergy

    If no errors are returned, then it's something else, if there are errors then you need to install the python library first.

    Try the above and post back.

    This (tiny) screenshot (click to enlarge it) shows my Pi with the correct outcome;
    pyLoopEnergy.jpg

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    • G4RHL
      Automated Home Legend
      • Jan 2015
      • 1580

      Originally posted by HenGus View Post
      An interesting response from Loop when I contacted them yesterday with a query about their gas and electricity monitors:

      'Due to problems sourcing components for manufacture we do not have any electricity stock available'

      A strange way to run a business me thinks.
      This has been the case with them for quite some time now. Many months.

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      • HenGus
        Automated Home Legend
        • May 2014
        • 1001

        Originally posted by G4RHL View Post
        This has been the case with them for quite some time now. Many months.
        My post is now a year old. Is Loop still trading?

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        • DJBenson
          Automated Home Jr Member
          • Feb 2016
          • 24

          Originally posted by G4RHL View Post
          This has been the case with them for quite some time now. Many months.
          I really hope that’s not indicative of a problem. The devices are useless without Loop’s servers unless they update the dongle to provide local readings.

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          • dty
            Automated Home Ninja
            • Aug 2016
            • 489

            Every now and then I mention that I reckon they've gone bust but paid for a 1 year or 3 year AWS rental up front, and nobody thought to turn it off...

            But then I had cause to contact them about a month back and they were pretty responsive.

            It does feel a lot like a business that's in trouble or at least has lost its way.

            I'm considering swapping to Smappee. I like that their electricity monitor can measure power factor correctly. Plus they have a public API (and NodeRED components) which Loop doesn't have.

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            • DJBenson
              Automated Home Jr Member
              • Feb 2016
              • 24

              Originally posted by dty View Post
              Every now and then I mention that I reckon they've gone bust but paid for a 1 year or 3 year AWS rental up front, and nobody thought to turn it off...

              But then I had cause to contact them about a month back and they were pretty responsive.

              It does feel a lot like a business that's in trouble or at least has lost its way.

              I'm considering swapping to Smappee. I like that their electricity monitor can measure power factor correctly. Plus they have a public API (and NodeRED components) which Loop doesn't have.
              They look good apart from the fact that it's almost £400 for a setup equivalent to the loop kit (which cost £79).

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              • paulockenden
                Automated Home Legend
                • Apr 2015
                • 1719

                Smappee is great, but you can’t rely on the appliance detection for automation tasks.

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                • HenGus
                  Automated Home Legend
                  • May 2014
                  • 1001

                  Originally posted by DJBenson View Post
                  They look good apart from the fact that it's almost £400 for a setup equivalent to the loop kit (which cost £79).
                  Finding a Loop Energy Gas kit might be difficult. B and Q have been out of stock for months. The Smappee Gas monitor doesn't need the electricity kit to work as it has a BlueTooth option that will load information up to the cloud via a mobile device. I was able to pick up a NorthQ Gas Starter Kit off Ebay for a fraction of its list price: there are no ongoing monitoring costs.

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                  • alanharvey
                    Automated Home Lurker
                    • Jan 2018
                    • 9

                    @DJBenson

                    Thanks for the help!
                    I think you may have found the first problem already.
                    I do indeed get an error 'No module named pyloopenergy' when I try to import from the python prompt.

                    As I said I am a complete novice at this so I apologise for the stupid mistakes and naivety.

                    Detail:-
                    To get the code I cloned the Github folders while logged in to the Rpi as 'pi' and in the home directory. This created a subdirectory under the home directory called 'pyloopenergy' with a sub-sub-directory also called 'pyloopenergy' which contains the files.
                    If I'm in the home directory and type 'import loopenergy' I get the 'No module...' error.
                    If I cd to the 'loopenergy' sub-directory and type 'import loopenergy' it starts to import but I now get 'ImportError: No module named socketIO_client' when the process runs loop_energy.py line 15.

                    So how to fix the problems found to date?

                    Is it OK to carry on with this on here or would private message be better?

                    Thanks again.
                    Last edited by alanharvey; 11 February 2018, 01:10 PM.

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                    • alanharvey
                      Automated Home Lurker
                      • Jan 2018
                      • 9

                      I was fortunate in that I was given my LoopEnergy electrical kit under a project set up by BMG research to monitor electricity consumption in my area. This must be a couple of years ago now. So the kit is theirs and they have control over the account. I have access to read it. I bought the add-on gas kit.

                      In the last couple of months I have noticed the Loop logo has disappeared and a new logo appearing top left of the iPhone App window '4 TO 8'. Googling that doesn't return anything useful.

                      BMG is running this project in collaboration with University of Southampton, DNV GL and Scottish and Southern Energy Power Distribution and it is being funded through Ofgem’s Low Carbon Network Fund.
                      According to their website the BMG project will run till 'early 2019'.

                      It could well be that this research project is the reason the LoopEnergy servers are still running...

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                      • Jackthom
                        Automated Home Jr Member
                        • Dec 2017
                        • 18

                        Originally posted by alanharvey View Post
                        @DJBenson

                        Thanks for the help!
                        I think you may have found the first problem already.
                        I do indeed get an error 'No module named pyloopenergy' when I try to import from the python prompt.

                        As I said I am a complete novice at this so I apologise for the stupid mistakes and naivety.

                        Detail:-
                        To get the code I cloned the Github folders while logged in to the Rpi as 'pi' and in the home directory. This created a subdirectory under the home directory called 'pyloopenergy' with a sub-sub-directory also called 'pyloopenergy' which contains the files.
                        If I'm in the home directory and type 'import loopenergy' I get the 'No module...' error.
                        If I cd to the 'loopenergy' sub-directory and type 'import loopenergy' it starts to import but I now get 'ImportError: No module named socketIO_client' when the process runs loop_energy.py line 15.

                        So how to fix the problems found to date?

                        Is it OK to carry on with this on here or would private message be better?

                        Thanks again.

                        There's a script called setup.py in the package which will most likely be the correct way to install the module.
                        When in the correct directory you may have to use

                        sudo python setup.py

                        to get it to install.
                        Last edited by Jackthom; 11 February 2018, 02:39 PM.

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                        • alanharvey
                          Automated Home Lurker
                          • Jan 2018
                          • 9

                          Thanks, done that. I’m getting somewhere now. I can get it to run (sort of) in a shell window, but not yet in IDLE, after installing socketIO_client and cd’ing to the loopenergy directory. It must be a path issue. It’s not connected to Domiticz yet though. I created the dummy sensors using the guide but don’t know how to make the connection.

                          My objective is to get this working and produce a clean RPI SD card image that will auto-boot a pi and sit there logging, producing a data table that I can import over the LAN into Excel (my comfort zone) to a PC.

                          Crawling up the learning curve.

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                          • DBMandrake
                            Automated Home Legend
                            • Sep 2014
                            • 2361

                            Originally posted by alanharvey View Post
                            In the last couple of months I have noticed the Loop logo has disappeared and a new logo appearing top left of the iPhone App window '4 TO 8'. Googling that doesn't return anything useful.
                            In the loop iPhone app ?

                            That's strange, nothing has changed with the logo for me and loop is still working the same as the day I bought it.

                            If I hadn't seen gossip about Loop on here I wouldn't even know there was a problem with supply of new units.

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                            • HenGus
                              Automated Home Legend
                              • May 2014
                              • 1001

                              Originally posted by DBMandrake View Post
                              In the loop iPhone app ?

                              That's strange, nothing has changed with the logo for me and loop is still working the same as the day I bought it.

                              If I hadn't seen gossip about Loop on here I wouldn't even know there was a problem with supply of new units.
                              It’s been like this for months:



                              B and Q and Amazon appear to have stock of the electricity monitor but no gas.

                              I think that the parent company may have gone into liquidation:

                              NAVETAS ENERGY MANAGEMENT LTD. - Free company information from Companies House including registered office address, filing history, accounts, annual return, officers, charges, business activity
                              Last edited by HenGus; 12 February 2018, 12:06 PM.

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                              • alanharvey
                                Automated Home Lurker
                                • Jan 2018
                                • 9

                                Here is an iPhone screen dump (I hope). E1D5A8E2-173B-4130-A828-0FC4AC4C427E.jpg

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